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      <description>&lt;![CDATA[SeneGence is a pro at &#39;pay to play&#39;. &#xA;&#xA;What does this mean? &#xA;&#xA;If you&#39;re a SeneGence LipSense distributor, and happen to have a downline (people who have signed up under you), and they purchase products from SeneGence — woo hoo! You get a commission! Actual money!&#xA;&#xA;(Photo by Sharon McCutcheon on Unsplash)&#xA;&#xA;BUT! (You knew there was a but, didn&#39;t you?)&#xA;&#xA;To be paid this commission — to &#39;play&#39; — you have to place an order with SeneGence that same month.&#xA;&#xA;And it&#39;s not even &#39;Buy something, get the full amount owing to you&#39;. Oh no. It&#39;s much more complicated and nasty than that.&#xA;&#xA;This is easier with an example. Let&#39;s say your downline, Lisa, places a nice juicy order, that&#39;s worth 800 PV. &#xA;&#xA;Note well — commissions are only paid on items that attract Points Value (PV) — various things like makeup applicators, stickers, bags, testers and other supplies do not earn PV. So if Lisa is ordering heaps of non-PV stuff, you&#39;ll earn nothing on that part of her order. Commission is not based on the amount of money spent, but the PV of the order/s of that month. &#xA;&#xA;OK. So Lisa&#39;s bought heaps of stock that is worth 800 PV. And you&#39;ve potentially earned $80 commission (10% of the 800 PV). Woo hoo!&#xA;&#xA;Now, if you want to earn the first $10 (yes, TEN DOLLARS) of the commission value (CV) owing to you, you need to place a 100 PV order that month too, which you&#39;ll hit if you buy eight tubes of LipSense. This is pay to play — if you want to &#39;play&#39; (earn commissions etc), you have to pay.&#xA;&#xA;This will cost you well over $100, depending on which country you&#39;re in. A 100 PV order is $200 USD, at 30% off. So that&#39;s $140. Now add on their over-priced shipping &amp; handling fees. So it might be more like $160 all together.&#xA;&#xA;(From the Distributor Compensation Plan)&#xA;&#xA;BUT, if you&#39;d like the rest of the commission owing to you, that $70 (Lisa&#39;s $80 - $10), you have to have ordered 300 PV over the month to &#39;qualify&#39; (and the proviso about products that attract PV applies here too — you can&#39;t stock up on applicators, testers and supplies to do this). &#xA;&#xA;A 300 PV order is expensive. It&#39;s $600, with a 40% discount — so you&#39;ll be roughly $360 out of pocket. And that&#39;s a lot more stock to sell (or pile up in your house). &#xA;&#xA;This &#39;remainder of what&#39;s owing to you&#39; is called the Group Sales Volume (GSV) Bonus. It&#39;s very complicated, hard to understand (intentionally), and there are other ways of achieving it, which involve having a big downline etc. We&#39;re trying to keep it simpler here, so we all have some chance of understanding it. You can see a PDF about it in more detail here.).&#xA;&#xA;So, to get the full commission owing to you from Lisa — the initial $10, plus the remaining GSV of $70 ($80 total), you will have to have ordered at least $600 worth of stock (costing $360 USD, when the 40% discount is taken into account). Add on shipping &amp; handling.&#xA;&#xA;To earn that $80 from Lisa, you&#39;ve just spent more than $360.&#xA;&#xA;If your downline commission is less than the amount you have to pay to earn it, you&#39;re actually going backwards financially. Sure, you&#39;ve got more stock, and maybe you&#39;re selling $600 worth of product every month ... but most don&#39;t.&#xA;&#xA;Guess who wins this particular game (hint it ain&#39;t you).&#xA;&#xA;Unless! Unless you&#39;re recruiting heaps of downlines, and they&#39;re building THEIR downlines, and so on. In which case, you can make an income. Maybe. &#xA;&#xA;And it&#39;s not just commissions where SeneGence gets you to pay to play. This is just the tip of a most expensive iceberg.&#xA;&#xA;Further reading &#xA;&#xA;MLM Attorney: Required Purchases, the MLM Pay to Play Dilemma&#xA;&#xA;MLM — The Truth: Red Flag #3: Pay to play purchases&#xA;&#xA;MLM Legal: What does the phrase &#34;pay to play&#34; mean?&#xA;&#xA;#paytoplay #SeneGence #LipSense #MLM #pyramidscheme #antiMLMmovement&#xA;]]&gt;</description>
      <content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2 id="senegence-is-a-pro-at-pay-to-play" id="senegence-is-a-pro-at-pay-to-play">SeneGence is a pro at &#39;pay to play&#39;.</h2>

<p>What does this mean?</p>

<p>If you&#39;re a SeneGence LipSense distributor, and happen to have a downline (people who have signed up under you), and they purchase products from SeneGence — woo hoo! You get a commission! Actual money!</p>

<p><img src="https://i.snap.as/NU7mSpT.jpg" alt=""/>
(<a href="https://unsplash.com/photos/-8a5eJ1-mmQ">Photo by Sharon McCutcheon on Unsplash</a>)</p>

<p><strong>BUT!</strong> (You knew there was a <em>but</em>, didn&#39;t you?)</p>

<p>To be paid this commission — to &#39;play&#39; — you have to place an order with SeneGence that same month.</p>

<p>And it&#39;s not even &#39;Buy something, get the full amount owing to you&#39;. Oh no. It&#39;s much more complicated and nasty than that.</p>

<p>This is easier with an example. Let&#39;s say your downline, Lisa, places a nice juicy order, that&#39;s worth 800 PV.</p>

<p>Note well — commissions are <em>only</em> paid on items that attract Points Value (PV) — various things like makeup applicators, stickers, bags, testers and other supplies do not earn PV. So if Lisa is ordering heaps of non-PV stuff, you&#39;ll earn nothing on that part of her order. Commission is not based on the amount of <em>money</em> spent, but the <em>PV</em> of the order/s of that month.</p>

<p>OK. So Lisa&#39;s bought heaps of stock that is worth 800 PV. And you&#39;ve potentially earned $80 commission (10% of the 800 PV). Woo hoo!</p>

<p>Now, if you want to earn the first $10 (yes, TEN DOLLARS) of the commission value (CV) owing to you, <strong>you</strong> need to place a 100 PV order that month too, which you&#39;ll hit if you buy eight tubes of LipSense. This is pay to play — if you want to &#39;play&#39; (earn commissions etc), you have to pay.</p>

<p>This will cost you well over $100, depending on which country you&#39;re in. A 100 PV order is $200 USD, at 30% off. So that&#39;s $140. Now add on their over-priced shipping &amp; handling fees. So it might be more like $160 all together.</p>

<p><img src="https://i.snap.as/1BxFqs8.png" alt=""/>
(From the Distributor Compensation Plan)</p>

<p>BUT, if you&#39;d like the <em>rest</em> of the commission owing to you, that $70 (Lisa&#39;s $80 – $10), <strong>you</strong> have to have ordered 300 PV over the month to &#39;qualify&#39; (and the proviso about products that attract PV applies here too — you can&#39;t stock up on applicators, testers and supplies to do this).</p>

<p>A 300 PV order is <em>expensive</em>. It&#39;s $600, with a 40% discount — so you&#39;ll be roughly $360 out of pocket. And that&#39;s a lot more stock to sell (or pile up in your house).</p>

<p>This &#39;remainder of what&#39;s owing to you&#39; is called the Group Sales Volume (GSV) Bonus. It&#39;s very complicated, hard to understand (intentionally), and there are other ways of achieving it, which involve having a big downline etc. We&#39;re trying to keep it simpler here, so we all have some chance of understanding it. <a href="https://issuu.com/kristahillier/docs/comp_plan_krista_pdf">You can see a PDF about it in more detail here</a>.).</p>

<p>So, to get the full commission owing to you from Lisa — the initial $10, plus the remaining GSV of $70 ($80 total), <strong>you</strong> will have to have ordered <em>at least</em> $600 worth of stock (costing $360 USD, when the 40% discount is taken into account). Add on shipping &amp; handling.</p>

<p>To earn that $80 from Lisa, <strong>you&#39;ve just spent more than $360</strong>.</p>

<p>If your downline commission is less than the amount you have to pay to <em>earn</em> it, you&#39;re actually going <em>backwards</em> financially. Sure, you&#39;ve got more stock, and maybe you&#39;re selling $600 worth of product every month ... but most don&#39;t.</p>

<p>Guess who wins this particular game (<em>hint</em> it ain&#39;t you).</p>

<p>Unless! Unless you&#39;re recruiting heaps of downlines, and they&#39;re building THEIR downlines, and so on. In which case, you can make an income. Maybe.</p>

<p>And it&#39;s not just commissions where SeneGence gets you to pay to play. This is just the tip of a most expensive iceberg.</p>

<h3 id="further-reading" id="further-reading">Further reading</h3>

<p><a href="https://thompsonburton.com/mlmattorney/2016/02/02/required-purchases-the-mlm-pay-to-play-dilemma/">MLM Attorney: Required Purchases, the MLM Pay to Play Dilemma</a></p>

<p><a href="http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/5-step-mlm-evaluation/step3-pay2play/">MLM — The Truth: Red Flag #3: Pay to play purchases</a></p>

<p><a href="http://mlmlegal.com/MLMBlog/what-does-the-phrase-pay-to-play-mean/">MLM Legal: What does the phrase “pay to play” mean?</a></p>

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